tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3233136766970701014.post7087360363009568524..comments2024-03-15T16:58:18.866-05:00Comments on Full Custom Gospel BBQ: Sustainable Meat or Good BBQ? You Choose.smokemasteronehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13060574775769962975noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3233136766970701014.post-9299525298539355902010-09-25T03:13:42.385-05:002010-09-25T03:13:42.385-05:00The event supplied grass fed brisket definitely co...The event supplied grass fed brisket definitely cooked tender. We proved that with 3 supplied briskets. All of our test cooks cooked consistently but our event meat cooked tender faster due to the presence of more fat. Chris & I can attest to that after several test cooks. All the briskets we smoked appeared to be supplied from the same farm. But what was missing were the familiar deep rich flavors. The supplied grass fed brisket as well as the ribs had a gamey (or gamely!) taste that was just unpleasant at best. Squab like. No matter what type of wood was used, how much smoke was allowed, and how strong of a rub was used that now familiar gamey taste kept on coming back. I'm no expert in the area of processing beef and pork but perhaps the issue might be in the meat source's processing methods.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3233136766970701014.post-48146791188616658512010-09-15T12:24:40.663-05:002010-09-15T12:24:40.663-05:00I think extramsg has a point. It sounds like Chri...I think extramsg has a point. It sounds like Chris' team did their due diligence with five test smokes. But grass-fed beef is a whole nother animal. It might just need more testing. And I, too, believe that with grass-fed beef, gamey = beefy. It's good. I just recently started cooking grass-fed beef (ground beef and steak, no brisket), and I enjoy the flavor bonus over feed-lot beef.<br /><br />And, Rob, you are right. Grass-fed beef fat is very different from beef from the feed lot. The fat in grass-fed beef is actually good for you (much like wild salmon fat).<br /><br />Next time I order some grass-fed beef, I'm gonna get a brisket and try smoking it. I'll let y'all know how it turns out.Doug Zedlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02380828701790888668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3233136766970701014.post-80498646252085334832010-09-14T15:29:56.468-05:002010-09-14T15:29:56.468-05:00Actually, you guys are proving my point. You keep...Actually, you guys are proving my point. You keep talking about how it was "unexpected". Exactly. It takes special concern and experience. I'm not saying that they needed the same treatment. I'm saying that they needed to be treated in such a way that they resulted in a similarly tender, etc, product.<br /><br />And as to it being gamey.... You mean, um, it tasted beefy? Normally, you age beef to get that sort of thing. I mean, was this Piedmontese beef or something or just organic, grass-fed stuff?extramsghttp://extramsg.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3233136766970701014.post-45932145666211362142010-09-14T10:47:37.161-05:002010-09-14T10:47:37.161-05:00I agree with Chris. I also was in charge of our te...I agree with Chris. I also was in charge of our team's brisket at this event and was amazed at how different grass fed turned out. I knew the second I cut into it that it didn't cook the way I had intended. The smoke ring was nearly invisible and the color of the meat was more pot roast than brisket. <br /><br />Even more interesting was the fat - which I suspect is at the heart of the problem. I was pleasantly surprised when we got our competition brisket to see a nice fat cap in place. But after what I would call a nearly perfect smoke (14 hours at 200 degrees in a Big Green Egg) the fat hadn't rendered at all. When cutting it the fat actually appeared ribbon-like and was sitting on top of the meat as if I had only cooked it for a few hours. <br /><br />My conclusion is that there is a chemical difference in the fat. It's the equivalent of putting butter on a piece of toast or dipping it in olive oil. Two perfectly nice ways to treat a piece of bread, but two completely different taste profiles. <br /><br />I'm looking for some hard science to back this up, but I suspect that grass fed fat has a mighty different make-up that makes brisket smoking infinitely more complicated. If you can't get the fat to "melt", it's going to be tough to achieve a truly great brisket.Rob Shearerhttp://gooakcliff.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3233136766970701014.post-35353689578272226572010-09-14T07:18:43.637-05:002010-09-14T07:18:43.637-05:00I have to agree 100-percent Daniel. We did five te...I have to agree 100-percent Daniel. We did five test cooks on the sustainable grass fed brisket before the competition & ended up winning second place. Our lead cook Marshall Cooper has cooked thousands of briskets over the past 25 years & had never seen anything like this. <br /><br />We cooked traditional & organics side-by-side for comparison & the grass fed just does not taste near as good. It doesn't absorb the smoke, tastes slightly gamey & has to cook 1 and 1/2 times longer.<br /><br />The bottom line is this: I'm sure there are great ways to cook sustainable grass fed beef, but on a smoker ain't one of them!<br /><br />PS: The organic chicken rocks though......Chris Wilkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16199656114772292982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3233136766970701014.post-7803617130130099612010-09-14T00:30:50.753-05:002010-09-14T00:30:50.753-05:00I would make the same conclusion had I not tasted ...I would make the same conclusion had I not tasted the corn-fed stuff that each team was giving out for samples. It had been cooked on the same equipment by the same team, but was vastly superior. I really wanted to like it, but the grass-fed meat was just leathery tough.BBQ Snobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13823666726747359204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3233136766970701014.post-56278398764397689162010-09-14T00:19:36.443-05:002010-09-14T00:19:36.443-05:00I think your analysis of why the corn fed BBQ was ...I think your analysis of why the corn fed BBQ was better than the grass fed is probably wrong-headed. I've used a wide range of product, from shitty beef from Wal-Mart to wagyu to local/sustainable grass fed. When it comes to BBQ, I think the quality of the raw product is much less important than the quality of the preparation. I suspect you'd have a hard time distinguishing which is which given equally adept execution.extramsghttp://extramsg.comnoreply@blogger.com